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    Default PCT for Helladrol, first cycle

    I'm 30yo, 190lbs and have been lifting for ~4yrs consistantly. I would like to do a cycle this winter to gain mostly lean mass and I think I'm going with Helladrol being its considered mild. As I research PCT everybody is taking so many things and they're all different.

    I see NTBM has all kinds of products you can take for PCT: unleashed, PCT,
    N2guard, HCG, and Forged. Some take just about all of these whether its during the cycle or post. I don't want to spend $400 on a cycle b/c I will need to afford food so just buying 2 months of everything isn't very viable.

    What are the essentials and what goes best with each other? HCG gets good reviews but does Forma stanzol do the same job? Is it best for on cycle or post (I have some DAA to take during all of it)?

    Does N2 guard take the place of unleashed/PCT? Or is it for on cycle? Would I still need to buy some liver pills separate from all of this? Been looking into this for a while but it seems to be getting murkier.

    On a Helladrol note, a few people on hear say go no less than 100mg while others say 50-75mg is good enough for a first cycle, any thoughts? And is nolva necessary for this or is OTC supps good enough?

    Thanks for any help. I am open to all recommendations.

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    Need2gaurd is for on cycle it wont do anything for recovery,

    Hcg, Unleased, post cycle, forged pct, and forma can all be used for pct, and all help with recovery in a different way.
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    Cycle Would Look Like
    Need2Guard 1-cycle
    Helladrol (dosing is really personal preference I ran it at 150 mgs and loved it per week wouldnt suggest under 100 tho)

    PCT
    Forma Stanzol
    Post Cycle
    Unleashed
    Would strongly suggest some hcgenerate as well
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    im liking nightmares post.

    i think

    unleashed
    forge pct
    formastanzol
    hcgenerate.

    like said prior.....n2guard is for on cycle support. if money is tight you can also split up your hcgenerate. start 2-2.5 weeks into hella cycle and the then follow through into your pct. i do this alot.
    pain can only occur when you have a weak mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garryb View Post
    if money is tight you can also split up your hcgenerate. start 2-2.5 weeks into hella cycle and the then follow through into your pct. i do this alot.
    This is a good practice even if money isn't tight since you're not going to start testicular atrophy right away. I start at week 3 and do well with it so at 2-2.5 you should definitely be covered with some safety margin built in. I won't run a cycle without hcg or hcgenerate in it because I recover so much quicker which prevents ED and preserves more gains made on cycle.

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    Are liver pills needed when using N2G

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    Quote Originally Posted by spool View Post
    Are liver pills needed when using N2G
    no... n2g takes care of it all

    Cholesterol control
    Blood Pressure regulator
    Anti Water Retention
    Ergogenic Adaptogens
    Anti oxidant and cell repair
    Receptor upregulation
    Liver Protection
    complete RDA of vitamins and minerals
    Better Kidney function and protection
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    HCGenerate
    Forma Stanzol
    Unleashed
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    Ingredients wise, it seems HCG has got Unleashed, PCT, and Forge PCT covered. They all share the same ingredients, maybe differents dosages but without a label I don't know for sure. Am I missing something as to why people take about all of them? I'm not looking to skimp on neccessities but would like to know the reason I am taking it.

    I'm pretty much set on taking N2G on cycle with HCG and Forma post. Who sells Phytoserms347?

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    If I have

    2 Unleashed Combos
    Forma
    HCGenerate
    Sustain Alpha LV

    for PCT, when should I take the Sustain Alpha? FYI, I'm taking HCGenerate all the way through my cycle so I won't be during PCT unless it's an absolute must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spool View Post
    Ingredients wise, it seems HCG has got Unleashed, PCT, and Forge PCT covered. They all share the same ingredients, maybe differents dosages but without a label I don't know for sure. Am I missing something as to why people take about all of them? I'm not looking to skimp on neccessities but would like to know the reason I am taking it.

    I'm pretty much set on taking N2G on cycle with HCG and Forma post. Who sells Phytoserms347?
    Within a few days: http://www.rlssupplements.com/store/ will be selling it. It is the most powerful NATTY test boosting/estrogen regulating, muscle hardening, strength inducing, lean mass producing product known to man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot82 View Post
    If I have

    2 Unleashed Combos
    Forma
    HCGenerate
    Sustain Alpha LV

    for PCT, FYI, I'm taking HCGenerate all the way through my cycle so I won't be during PCT unless it's an absolute must.
    No, you shouldn't need HCGenerate during pct. Running during the cycle is the best way to use it. For those that miss out and don't run it during their cycle then the second best way is to use it at the beginning of pct at high doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazcat View Post
    No, you shouldn't need HCGenerate during pct. Running during the cycle is the best way to use it. For those that miss out and don't run it during their cycle then the second best way is to use it at the beginning of pct at high doses.
    ON cycle it works so great!
    Unless person is on HCG..
    He could use it on cycle and PCT if he wanted to.. The effects wont diminish in that time frame.

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    Would these recommendations change if I was to use Malicious Mass or Beast

    Or would a SERM be recommended at this point?
    Last edited by spool; 11-01-2010 at 03:17 AM. Reason: Add a comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by spool View Post
    Would these recommendations change if I was to use Malicious Mass or Beast

    Or would a SERM be recommended at this point?
    Some guys wont recommend SERM ever, but if you have used clomid and know you respond nicely to it, I say use it regardless with the above PCT outlines.

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    Just my 2 cents, but here's how I ran it. This was my first cycle, the next cycle I went with 100mg ed

    On Cycle (6 weeks):
    Helladrol - 50/75/75/75/100/100 (1 morn, 2 pre w/o, both with a 1000mg omega 3 pill)
    Dermacrine - 3 pumps every day
    Lipid Stabil - 3 pills every day
    AI Cycle Support - 1 scoop w/ pre-w/o shake
    Animal Pak
    Fish Oil/Omega 3 - 3000mg day (1 morn, 1 pre w/o as per above plus 1 with lunch)

    PCT (4weeks):
    HCGenerate - 5 pills per day (2 morn, 3 pre w/o)
    Sustain Alpha - 5 pumps (2 days on, 2 days off...so on)
    Unleashed - per directions on bottle
    Post Cycle - 3 pills every day

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